Curse

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 13, 2007, 12:48 AM // 00:48

The Charr never became good; Pyre was angry about his people being tricked into following false gods. He allied with the player because that was the best way to get his warband freed. He helped the player because that was the deal he made. The player goes along with him because he has no other choice. It is not a matter of good or evil.

Thom Bangalter · Sep 13, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49

bad fan fiction is bad.

blue.rellik · Sep 13, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23

I like to send Gwen into a pack of Frost Wurms in Frostmaw's Burrow

Sha Noran · Sep 13, 2007, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Pyre should have gruesomely bit Gwen's face off ala Resident Evil 4 death scene, so that none of us had to listen to her unreasonable whining for the rest of the short game.

Why is this thread not locked?

Phaern Majes · Sep 13, 2007, 04:31 AM // 04:31

Good question. The attitude reminds me of a... what's it called... sociopath.

Kashrlyyk · Sep 13, 2007, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

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However, if we *can't* choose how our characters are, I'd rather we weren't included in anything. Have the cutscenes just have you as a bystander, have us say nothing. For me, the immersion is broken when my character says something I don't want him to say.

I agree completly. And GW doesn´t allow you to make any serious decisions.

Muspellsheimr · Sep 13, 2007, 05:20 AM // 05:20

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Originally Posted by Sha Noran

Why is this thread not locked?

Good question...
I was expecting it to lock within an hour of it being made...

-Loki- · Sep 13, 2007, 10:46 AM // 10:46

At least Pyre is humorous, sort of like a more cruel HK-47 from KotOR.

Commander Ryker · Sep 13, 2007, 11:11 AM // 11:11

I don't understand everyone's attitude here. You are all playing this game and yes, it's not real, but isn't that the point? It's not real so we can go about killing the bad guys. If I wanted real, I'd watch the news.

To the OP: Gwen so should have been able to do something like that.

To the rest of you with no imagination: Go watch the news.

Bryant Again · Sep 13, 2007, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

I don't understand everyone's attitude here. You are all playing this game and yes, it's not real, but isn't that the point? It's not real so we can go about killing the bad guys. If I wanted real, I'd watch the news.

Eh? We're a little upset because the way the OP wants us to act in his cutscene is *not* something that we'd want our characters to do. We've already had our characters forced into a questionable persona, and I don't want mine to be a cruel one as the OP has showed.

Aeon221 · Sep 14, 2007, 03:46 AM // 03:46

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Originally Posted by Nevin

The charr in control have brainwashed the rest. Simple as that.

Well, good that you can accept such a lame justification. Those of us that use our minds for a tad more than overheating our faces found this to be a fairly cliche and trite "explanation".

Fortunately, Anet didn't ask us to swallow such stinking fecal matter. What is actually occurring amongst the Charr is closer to a schism of the existing faith, where the main religious leaders have adopted a new pantheon, but conservative elements amongst the Charr have chosen to remain faithful to the old pantheon. Is it any wonder that there is significant infighting, or that the reactionary Charr are willing to accept even the help of humans (much as the French assisted the Protestant Union in order to defeat the greater threat of the Catholic League and its Counter Reformation) to prevent a change.

I'm ignoring the strong insinuations of Anet that many of the Charr are now atheists, as that just seems screwy to me. Even in the most modern nation on the planet, only a small minority of the populace is Atheist. There's just no way that the Charr could even hope to have a significant minority of them in a world full of magic and gods that bloody well indicate their existence by letting you romp around in their homes. You'd have to be effing stupid to deny the existence of Grenth and his ectos.

Zeek Aran · Sep 14, 2007, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Originally Posted by Aeon221

I'm ignoring the strong insinuations of Anet that many of the Charr are now atheists, as that just seems screwy to me. Even in the most modern nation on the planet, only a small minority of the populace is Atheist. There's just no way that the Charr could even hope to have a significant minority of them in a world full of magic and gods that bloody well indicate their existence by letting you romp around in their homes. You'd have to be effing stupid to deny the existence of Grenth and his ectos.

I thought they didn't want gods for themselves. Believing in and worshipping/paying tribute to gods is one thing, and refusing to do so is a different. Doesn't mean they don't believe they exist.

draxynnic · Sep 14, 2007, 04:57 AM // 04:57

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

I thought they didn't want gods for themselves. Believing in and worshipping/paying tribute to gods is one thing, and refusing to do so is a different. Doesn't mean they don't believe they exist.

Aye. I believe the wording was "There are no gods for the Charr", not "There are no gods". Meaning that they're not actually being atheist, they're just saying they're not going to let others tell them what to do just because the order is coming from a supposedly higher being.

On working with Pyre in the first place - I thought of it as a case of both sides using the other as tools. Neither Pyre's followers nor the Ebon Vanguard (for which you and Gwen are acting as the representatives) have the power to bring down the Shamans individually, but working together they might just be able to do so, and they both think they'll be better off with the Shamans gone. There's nothing to indicate, however, that either side believes or intends the alliance to last longer than the fall of the Shaman caste - in fact, some of the ending scenes for Gwen indicate that the aftermath doesn't make the Charr any less hostile, just that a small number of humans have earned respect from some of the Charr.

Which could be a seed that flowers in GW2 with whatever disasters it starts with, but not necassarily any sooner than that.

kazjun · Sep 14, 2007, 05:06 AM // 05:06

I don't really care if they believe in gods or not. Do you think any of the charr actually regret levelling ascalon? They're angry that they got tricked by the shamans, doesn't mean they wouldn't have seared the whole continent again if they had the choice. Hell, pyre's proud his dad had a part in leveling ascalon. Even if they gain a little more respect for humans, doesn't mean anything. You can respect an enemy, but that doesn't mean you won't still kill him. You reckon that even if they overthrow the shamans they're all suddenly going to become fuzzy little human lovers?

As for gwen? Cmon, her whole family got killed, her home turned into a burnt out ruin (she takes you there with the quest for her flute) and everyone she knew was slaughtered or enslaved. And she grew up with that. Of course she's gonna hate the charr. She'd have to be a psycho not too. Or is it all okay the charr destroyed her life, just cause they look 'cool'? I reckon anet went right with the angry avenger gwen. More realistic.

draxynnic · Sep 14, 2007, 05:32 AM // 05:32

Heck, one of Pyre's battle quotes is "You will burn like Ascalon!"

From the GW2 information, the important thing to the Charr is victory. It doesn't matter if you destroy a country or work with one enemy to bring down another to achieve victory, it's the victory that matters.

Iuris · Sep 14, 2007, 07:54 AM // 07:54

I'd like to point out that I was actually a bit disappointed by how far apart the humans and Charr remained at the end of the game. War is still on, it seems...

Sleeper Service · Sep 14, 2007, 12:14 PM // 12:14

Char = Klingon. Pyre = Kang.
nuff said.

wilderness · Sep 14, 2007, 03:08 PM // 15:08

Firstly, you need to stop typing such abstract terms a 'Good' and 'Evil'. This is War, there is only relative perspective. Char may be considered cruel in Human terms, but they're an entirely different species and as such won't ever share the same ideals of morality.

They will, however, be linked at the very core of some of their ideals, and through not after just one uneasy alliance, in the centuries between GWs and GWs2, a strong understanding between Char and Human is a distinct possibility.

To reiterate to clarify: Shared experience in times of great need will breed great understanding.

Also to consider: in times of war, peoples tend to demonize their enemy as much as possible for the obvious reasons, and although the char were most definitely responsible for barbaric and inhumane acts (the human element being the key there), I'm sure some humans were also.

The Klingon analogy above is a pretty good one.

Also, consider Halo, the Humans and the Elites made perfect sense when rallying against a common foe, and so it does here.

Vickie · Sep 14, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Aeon221

Pyre: I <3 <3 <3 me some human killin!

Gwen: Shitbonerz, let there be purple glow! My PMS will destroy you!

Pyre: Lol noob, do you not know that RANGERS are the true interruptors?! Suck DSHOT on your weeny skillz

Gwen: I've got the power to bleed and cry at the same time!

Pyre: r9 biatch

Gwen: =(

You: lol Gwen, you pve nub. Pyre, lets go raid Droks for ph4t l3wt.

Pyre: r9 biatch

You: =(

WIN.

And just because Pyre is on our side doesn't mean he's "good".

Remember, we kill stuff for spectacles.

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 14, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

My character destroys souls (summons a spirit and then uses Gaze of Fury) denying them any chance of an afterlife. I wouldn't call him a good person

So, no problems with teaming up with Pyre here.